Today, we've got the exceptional Eric Cogorno with us, a name synonymous with transformation in the golf coaching arena, particularly known for his massive influence and dominance in the online golf teaching world. Eric has over 72 million views, over 220,000 students taught online, over 350,000 youtube subscribers, and has taught over 30,000 in person lessons. He has been named the top teaching professional in the state of Pennsylvania and worked with the likes of Sir Nick Faldo and David Ledbetter.
In 2023, his YouTube platform outperformed all others in the online golf teaching space. From the nuances of exaggerated technique to the finesse of striking just the right mental chord, Eric's insights offer a slice into the discipline of top performers versus the everyday golfer.
But how did he get here, and what makes his approach a so unique and effective? We'll get a glimpse into his journey from financial struggle to embracing the rich greens of golf coaching. Amid tech talks and the mental game, we'll also get personal with Eric's story of the shift from potential baseball stardom to a leader in golf coaching. Plus, we'll hear about my own brush with the surreal – yes, Eric, I'm going to tell you about my albatross.
Get ready to tee off with us as we explore golf aids, the essential ingredients of success in golf, and how confidence and frequent tournament play can shape your game. Don't miss out - this talk is not just for golfers but for anyone seeking inspiration.
00:00 Albi praises Eric's unique teaching gift
04:45 New You Tube Channel: Lessons I've Learned with Eric Cogorno
10:37 How Eric Found Golf
13:57 Transitioned from player to coach
18:23 COVID increased competition, but also expanded opportunities.
20:07 Effective coaching can be achieved through video.
25:20 Albi shares Brad Brunner (Kangeroo) Korn Ferry tour player turned golf instructor.
26:49 Learning from Nick Faldo about winning mindset.
32:56 Improve swing by focusing on shaft line.
35:26 Tech and the future of golf.
39:21 Passionate about golf and personal development podcast.
40:42 Exclusive golf giveaways and experiences for subscribers.
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I've been fortunate to do some work with Nick Faldo. We did little podcast stuff
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with him at performance golf. Yeah. So we get to pick his brain a lot.
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And I was talking to him two days ago about this, and he said when
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he would go to majors, he knew there was only maybe five to
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ten guys that really had a chance to win, and the rest were kind of
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just there. And I was like, what is that?
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How do you get that? Are you born with that? Do you learn it? And
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he said when he would get in those pressure moments, he would get
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excited and look forward to it and want to show off.
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He said a lot of guys get to those moments, and they get scared,
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fearful and afraid. And I thought that context was
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kind of pretty good there, where I'm like, you know what? I think that's correct.
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Did I tell you about my albatross? Hey, yo. Here we
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go. Come on. Welcome to another episode of did I tell
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you about my albatross? I'm your host, Albie. This is the golf podcast
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for honest degenerates. It's like teening up with your favorite foursome every week and
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diving into the best stories in and around golf. You guys
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ready to tee off? Let's go. We at it. Chilling on the right side of
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the green. Sip a little something.
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Welcome, welcome, welcome to another edition of did I tell you about my
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albatross? I'm your host, Alby, and boy, do we have a good one for you
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today. I've got ericorno with
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ericornogolf.com. And Eric,
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actually, Eric, do you mind if I just introduce you by sharing some
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stats with my audience? Okay. All right. You've taught
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over 35 in person lessons I've got here. You've
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taught over 200 golfers online. You've been named one of Golf
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Digest's best young teachers in 2023. Golf
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Digest has also named you the best teacher in the state of
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Pennsylvania. You pioneered. I love this, by the way. You pioneered
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the reverse slice sequence. You've been featured in Forbes. And really, I
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mean, talking about golf publications, you're everywhere. You've partnered with some of the greatest
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golf mines in the world, including Sir Nick Faldo. I've seen you with Ledbetter. You
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name it. You have over 79
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million views since 2017.
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79 million. It's insane. You have a new channel that's
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gonna make everyone a better person. It's called lessons I've learned with Erica Gorno.
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You have over 300 subscribers on your golf
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YouTube channel. Eric, Gorno Goff. First of all, Eric, welcome
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to the show. But do I have all of that? Do I have all of
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that, right? I think that all sounds correct, man. Yeah, I
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appreciate. Appreciate that. Appreciate those kind words. Yeah, well, no, man. Well, I appreciate you
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hopping on here. You've actually been someone. You don't even really know this, but you've
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actually been someone that, you know, I subscribe to for quite some time now. I've
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learned a lot from you, and you have a gift, and, I mean, I've.
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So. So, Eric, just so you know, man, I have, like, I'm a four to
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five handicap. I've taken lessons from probably, I
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don't know, maybe 50 or so, 50 or so
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instructors, and I've landed with one of my co hosts, actually, on the
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podcast. He's a PGA teaching pro, and he was really upset that he couldn't join
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us today. And he's awesome. Don't be wrong. He's
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great. But, man, you have a special gift in the fact that you're able to
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pass along a particular lesson in a very digestible
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and very applicable way. Like, a lot of times I'll go through these
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lessons with different instructors, and they're, I mean, you know, they're all great in their
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own right, but the one thing that I think is very, very difficult is to
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be able to actually, you know, translate what they're actually
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saying in something that's digestible, something that's applicable, and something that you can
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actually start using right away. And I feel like you, dude, you're a pro at
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that. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. And, you
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know, there's obviously before we started doing videos, you know, like,
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I spent my first ten years trying to get really great at
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coaching. And one of the things, man, I learned early on was to be
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a really effective coach, you have to be great at communicating
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with the person in front of you. You got to be able to distill. You
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know, the golf swing is remarkably
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complicated, but at the same time, beautifully simple.
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Right? Which is kind of like a weird dynamic. And when you're
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coaching someone to be a great coach, you've got to be able to communicate with
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the human in front of you really, really well. And I think what served me
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well was I studied a lot of communication and worked on that just for my
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one on one lessons for ten years before we started saying, hey, let's start doing
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some YouTube videos. And so it's sort of a natural transition to being
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on camera for me and trying to basically communicate what I would
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communicate to one person in front of me, to the masses. And how do you
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take that lesson and make it fairly applicable for everyone?
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So I appreciate that. That's something that was definitely a learned skill for me. Yeah,
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well, I think it's one that's really important that you focus on that, because I
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think it's a differentiator for you. And I know one of the reasons that you're
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here today is because you're launching this new YouTube channel, which I'm fascinated by. It's
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something that, you know, I, you know, with the podcast and everything that we've been
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doing, obviously it's more golf focused, but really, you know, maybe it makes
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sense. All my listeners can tune out. They've heard this story on just about every
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episode. So let me just explain to you, Eric, how this podcast came
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about and why I was so excited to bring you on, because I think it
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does relate to this new, you know, this new channel that you're, that you're
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launching. So, you know, really. And I, by the way, I love telling the
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story. So the year is 2020. Member, member golf
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tournament. My buddy and I, five, final hole, two day tournament, final
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hole. It was a par five. We call it pine one. So we ended up.
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We actually ended the tournament on the first hole. It was a shotgun tournament. Anyway,
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so we tee off righte off, hit a really good drive,
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and I was 247 out. Three wood, it goes in. Now,
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that's not even the crazy part. The crazy part is that we had two buddies
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that were waiting for us to finish, so they were actually at the, at the
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hole. We go over there, and I start looking for this ball. And one of
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my buddies, Nick, he goes, hey, man, did you hit a good shot? And I
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was like, oh, that's probably one of the best three boys I've ever hit. He
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was like, yeah, it went way over the green, man. It's somewhere over there. So
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I start looking for this thing. Can't find it anywhere. Finally, I'm like, dude, where's
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this ball? And he said it went in the hole. And so I'm like, all
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right, great. So we lose our mind, we go inside, we turn our scorecard in,
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and, Eric, this is where things just get, like, bonkers. They're
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like, oh, yeah, by the way, going into that last hole, you were three shots
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back of the lead. So with that albatross, you ended up tying
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for the win of the tournament. And, I mean, we were doing a Calcutta at
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our club, so we won a couple thousand dollars. Dude, I thought I was gonna
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be famous. I thought I was gonna have your following by now. I thought immediately
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I was gonna like, so, but no one cares about my golf shot. Like, no
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one cares. My wife's sick of me talking about it. My friends, too. So I'm
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like, I'm gonna start a podcast, and I'm gonna tell the whole world about it
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until Scott Van Pelt and I are doing what you and I are doing right
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now, and I'm on sports centers. That's the whole premise. But really, the whole reason
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I bring that up, Eric, is because this new channel that
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you're bringing to market, which I love, and correct me if I'm wrong, get me
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on the guardrails here. But it's really more along the lines of, like, personal development,
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the mental side of things, and what that one shot taught me. I mean,
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yeah, it's a lucky shot. I get that. But, dude, I've started living my whole
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entire life a lot differently. Like, now I kind of think that, like, really
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anything's kind of possible. Like, even though, like, you know, the odds of that, which,
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by the way, I have the odds. I hired a data scientist to figure out
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what the odds are to be in that predicament, to hit an albatross, you know,
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to tie for the win a tournament. He came back with one in 600 million.
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And because of that, I'm like, now anything's possible, no matter
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what. As long as you just think that anything's possible, then you have a much
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better chance of realizing whatever it is that you're going after. And
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so that's why when I saw this new channel, I was really excited, and I
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started digging into it, man. I really think you're onto something. So that's why I
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was excited to have you on here.
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What a story, dude. Isn't it amazing, too?
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Like, you before that shot and you after that
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shot were essentially the same human, in terms of,
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like, your skills, what you're able to do, your network connection,
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but just a mindset shift. Right. Could
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completely change your life. Totally. And that's. Yeah, I mean, that is what that
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new channel is about, man. Like, for me, with golf, like, you know, golf coaching
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is, like, our main shtick. I felt like I
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coached golf, played golf, learned enough where I'm like, hey, let me share.
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I think I can really help people. And I coached,
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spent ten years trying to get great at coaching before we did that. Once we
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launched this channel, and I got really into personal development and improved myself
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in my life, I spent the past eight years now really studying personal
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development, improving my own life, testing things out of myself to where now I
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feel just like I did day one in golf. Like, hey, I know enough
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now where I feel comfortable being able to share with other
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people. And so just like, I share lessons of golf, this is just when we
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put out a video, it's just more of like, hey, maybe this will help you.
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This is what I've learned. You know, I want to do the same thing with
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those, those sort of videos for those that are interested in improving themselves beyond just
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the golf. Love it, man. I love it. And then to take that skill that
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we were talking about earlier and being able to, you know, to really apply your
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teaching style to it, I mean, I think it's going to be. I think it's
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going to be really valuable for, you know, really for everyone, not just golfers. That's
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why, that's why I'm really excited for it. You know, like, my family, I come
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from a family that is, they're really big into personal development. Wasn't taboo. It wasn't
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like, you know, it was actually encouraged, like, growing up and everything. And so, you
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know, even, you know, but this golf stuff that I talk about, I've had a
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lot of guests on, and they're don't, don't get me wrong, they love it. And
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I have friends that, you know, tune into the podcast just cause they're my friends.
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But, you know, like, people like that, that maybe aren't, like, goth fanatics will
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actually be able to get, you know, something from it. Because, again,
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it's that teaching style that I think differentiates you. Eric,
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I got a favorite ask. Can you just kind of maybe share with me your
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journey from a golf perspective? Can you maybe, first
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of all, this whole concept of being scratched by age 15 is just
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incredible. But maybe just share with me what your
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journey and how you became one of the top online teaching pros.
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Yeah, sure, man. So I grew up playing all kinds of different sports.
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Baseball, basketball, football, golf. Well, I didn't start golfing until I
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was probably, like, 1213 ish. But I played baseball and
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basketball my whole life. And I think, like a lot of us, you know, like,
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I was a good baseball player, which in my mind meant, like, oh, I'm gonna
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be the major league baseball player. And you
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quickly realize that, like, okay, you're not as good as you think you are. So
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I started golfing in middle school. Cause my dad played on the weekends with
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his friends, with his buddies. And I looked up to my dad. I think, like,
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a lot of young boys do when you're growing up. And so I just wanted
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to hang out with my dad and his friends, and that's kind of how I
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got into the golfing. I never
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forget. He gave me a. He got me this little set of clubs. It was
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like a pitching wedge. And I was probably in, like, yeah, it's probably 6th grade
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at this point, and I think of myself as a good athlete at this time,
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right, for context, right? And I take the pitching wedge, drop a ball down in
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the backyard. We had, like, an acre and a half, and I hit a ball.
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My first swing. Pured it, like, couldn't have hit the ball any better like
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that. And then every other shot I hit was like, a shank
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duff high, left low, right that day. And it drove me nuts,
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you know, I was like, gosh, I can do whatever I want with a ball
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and bat and, you know, whatever, but I really had a hard time hitting that
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freaking ball that was just sitting there, right. And so, you know, I think
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out of wanting to have my dad and his friends and just the obsession of,
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why am I not good at this? Right away from, like,
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let's say, 6th grade, when I'm like, hey, I'm going to start golfing. I'm playing
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all these other sports. By, like, the end of 7th grade, 8th grade, I'm like,
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I'm going to quit everything else and just do this. Just golf. And
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so, yeah, man, I went from just kind of playing to, like, by the time
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I was 15, you know, 9th into 9th, 10th grade was like, scratch
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started shooting around par under par and some local tournaments. And then I went from
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thinking I was gonna be a pro baseball player to like, hey, I'm gonna play
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on the PGA Tour. Which, again, you quickly
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realize it's not. There's a lot of kids out there who are really good. So,
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you know, by 9th grade, I'm gonna be a PGA
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Tour player. By, like, 11th or 12th grade, I'm like, oh, that's probably
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not going to happen. I still like the golf. How can I utilize this
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to get in a good college, et cetera?
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So I went and played at a small school in Pennsylvania called Lehigh.
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Played there for a little bit. And so,
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for context, this is 2008 ish, my
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freshman year, when everything happens with the economy. So
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I'm going into Lehigh. I'm thinking like, okay, I'm going to play
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golf. I'll do finance, kind of go work Wall street, whatever. All
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these kids that were in my recruiting class, that were recruiting me the year before,
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they were getting these mbas from Lehigh and go getting, like, six figure jobs out
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of school. And then a couple months later, right, the economy obviously goes
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way down. These same kids who just went to school for six years had all
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this debt from school, can't get a job anymore. So I'm like,
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okay, hey, maybe I gotta pivot a little. And at this time, and I'm gonna.
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This is. This is us getting the golf coaching here in a moment. At this
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time, I'm working at a local golf course, Bethel golf club, picking balls in
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the range, and I'm making minimum wage, maybe
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six, $7 an hour type of thing, right? And I'll never forget, this
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was August, and it was hot out, and I'm picking balls
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on the range, and our range is bumpy. So, I mean, I'm bumping up and
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down. I'm sweating. I'm, like, maybe hungover. I remember
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not feeling great, right? I'm, like, pissed off about doing this thing, and I drove
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the picker on the side of the range where the teaching area was, and
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there was a guy there, one of my best friends named Paul viola. I saw
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him as I was picking balls, giving this lesson to this old guy.
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They hit maybe, like, ten balls. This guy's just butting little shots out there.
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And I never. It looked very easy. He's under the shade, you know, breezy,
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whatever. I'm out there sweating. So I pull up, and he made an offhand
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comment that he just got paid $50 for a 30 minutes
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lesson. Not like braggy. I don't remember what it. But he remembered him saying
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that, and, like, a light bulb went off in my mind. That was like,
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I've got to work 8 hours picking balls to make $50? You're telling
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me you just made $50 in 30 minutes getting this guy to hit a ball?
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I could do that, right? And so that's how my coaching started. Like,
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the real. I'd love to say I had this passion. I wanted to help people,
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yada, yada, but it was really financially, I'm like, hey, I
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could make a lot more money coaching than I could picking balls. And the
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same thing happened, dude, where when I first started coaching,
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things for me typically were coming pretty easy. I was good at school, sports, whatever.
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I gave my first couple of golf lessons, and I was really bad, like
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anyone is. But the lessons went really poorly.
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And just like when I had that first pitching wedge, where I'm like, okay, why
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is this so difficult? It made me obsessed. The same thing happened
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with the coaching, where I was like, damn, I'm not good at this. I'm
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getting really bad lessons. And that started a ten year journey
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of me being obsessed with getting better at the coaching. And
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that's how we led up to, you know, then to fast forward
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from there. I'm spending a lot of time doing in person coaching. This
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happened like, 1819 years old. By the time I'm like
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26, 20. Well, almost ten years. So 18. So I'm probably 28 years
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old. I'm teaching like six days a week. I'm out there. I
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feel like I'm back in this picking balls thing. I'm grinding out in the sun.
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I feel I was, like, 27 and, like, burnout.
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Yeah, like tired, you know? And so I'm thinking, gosh, I can't, man, if
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I'm, like, 56 years old, I can't be out here, you know, doing this forever.
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So that's when I started. That's when the whole thing started. Like, okay, let's start
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doing some videos. How do I grow our audience? I started looking at. I saw,
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like, Grant cardone and Gary Vaynerchuk, and I'm watching these videos about
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monetizing online, and that's where then the YouTube idea came
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from. Yeah, because. So what year was that? That was. You're saying
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that was 2016. 2016. Okay. 1617.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean. I mean, man, I must. I
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probably started following you not too long after that, I think. Because my buddy
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here remembers at a club here in Tampa, and, you know, he was
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a huge fan. He took, I think. I'm not sure. I guess whatever one of
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the first offerings you had that was a subscription based. He was like, you gotta
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check this guy out. I hopped on board and we both took
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lessons. I mean, we've been following you guys for, I mean,
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shoot, however long that is. What
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do you think the difference is? I've had. And it's interesting because I had Matt
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Scharf on. Cause he's got these two albatrosses that were filmed and recorded and
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everything. It's just insane. Unbelievable. It
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changed things for him. And he was running down the course completely
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losing his mind because of the joy that you had. I know that feeling. But
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I was talking to him a little bit about his journey and similar. He
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started at a time where they just really wanted to, you know, they love golf.
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They really want to start documenting it. They came up with these crazy, like, you
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know, different challenges that. I mean, like playing golf with a frying pan. Like,
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they doing weird things and it somehow. But. But I think the timing was right.
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And obviously, look where they. Look where these guys are now. I mean, it's just
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unbelievable. I think also, too, the fact that it was before COVID So, like, it
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was also a perfect transition and you were set up perfectly for
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COVID when. When, you know, everything actually did convert to online. I mean, I'm
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in. I'm in sales for my nine to five job and, you know, I do
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a lot of customer meetings on site and everything. But, man, has that even shifted.
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And it really hasn't shifted back. Like, we primarily now do online meetings
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and it's all like, you know, it's all virtual. And I feel like you guys
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were, I feel like you guys were, you know, set for that from, you know,
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from day one. So how did COVID, did it just actually increase things for you
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or how did that work? Yeah, it's interesting, dude, we, like, we
00:17:19
had a side note thing. I had it on albatross too, when I was in
00:17:22
high school. Oh, no way. Tell me about that. I'm part of that. Yeah, I
00:17:25
had a two, made a two on a par five driver
00:17:29
three iron hole number two at my home course at Bethlehem, one hop boom in
00:17:32
the hole. I actually birdied one, double
00:17:36
eagled two, birdied three. Wow, that's quite the start. And then I
00:17:39
got so uncomfortable and then shit the bed the rest of my hand.
00:17:45
But, yeah. Anyway, so we put our first video up January 1,
00:17:49
2017 was our first YouTube video. So we
00:17:52
talk about this. It's interesting. When we first started, when I was doing the
00:17:56
online or in person coaching, let's say 080708
00:18:00
into 2016, 2017, there wasn't that
00:18:03
many people doing videos that had membership sites and there
00:18:07
was maybe three or four
00:18:10
good ones, maybe. So the market was very
00:18:14
small and so in 20,
00:18:17
1718 1920s, we were building up. We started gaining a lot of market share
00:18:21
in terms of the online coaching. So on a positive note,
00:18:25
COVID was good because people were home. They're more open online coaching. So that helped
00:18:29
some. But it went from like, the competition went from like there
00:18:33
was five of us to there's 500, you know, golf coaches doing online
00:18:36
coaching. So I'm not sure, you know, looking back upon it now, I think it
00:18:40
sort of, the competition rose so much that it, I think it sort of
00:18:44
evened itself out. It'd be interesting if that didn't happen where we would, where we
00:18:47
would be. But certainly with the people, you know, people being. Getting nets at
00:18:51
home and practice mats at home and being more open to online coaching.
00:18:56
We actually, we just had our best YouTube year ever this past year,
00:18:59
2023. Yeah. So we had our best year in terms of performance
00:19:03
across the board. So we're still, you know, growing every year, which is, which is
00:19:06
good. But the COVID thing's interesting because everyone does online coaching
00:19:09
now. Yeah. So, you know, there was, there was far less than we were when
00:19:13
we started. When you get these one on one lessons online, you know, I don't
00:19:16
really think you lose much from the teacher being there. I mean, I guess there
00:19:18
is sort of a lag in the sense that you don't get that instant feedback.
00:19:21
You don't get that, you know, but, I mean, now there's even live. You can
00:19:25
even do live variations where you can actually stream it,
00:19:29
I guess. First of all, do you guys do that? Is that an offering that
00:19:32
you have right now where you can stream, or is it still just like, hey,
00:19:35
record a video and then I'll tweak it.
00:19:39
It's still like 80%. Record video and I'll tweak it. We do some of the
00:19:43
streaming stuff and it's like, listen, there's nothing as good as in person,
00:19:47
any sort of online thing. It might be 80% as good, 90% as good,
00:19:50
but it's also, like, wildly more affordable.
00:19:54
Right. Like, our offerings online start at $79. If
00:19:58
you even want to think about coming to see, you know, in person, we're talking
00:20:01
350 for an hour, 1500 bucks for a couple hour type of thing. So it's
00:20:04
like the bang for your buck with online coaching is. Is
00:20:08
very good. And I think, you know,
00:20:12
I've honestly, man, through doing the videos and the analysis and sending back a
00:20:15
plan, I found that the effectiveness is
00:20:19
about the same as even if I was with them in person or if you.
00:20:23
Yeah, or even if you're like, you're doing the live, like a Facetime or
00:20:26
something. The benefit of doing the live FaceTime is you
00:20:30
can get them to exaggerate more faster. So
00:20:34
you might be like, hey, yeah, I know I'm supposed to do x move, but
00:20:37
then when you're doing it, you're like, oh, that's not enough. Do more instead of
00:20:40
waiting a week, three weeks, a month. So from that perspective, like,
00:20:44
if I'm in, if I'm in person with you, the benefit
00:20:47
is there's no stones left unturned and you're going to get the full. This is
00:20:51
how far I got to go. If you're by yourself, which 98% of your
00:20:55
practice, you're gonna be by yourself in between sessions and stuff, right?
00:20:59
It's like, being very clear on, this is what we're doing.
00:21:03
This is how much. This is how I know if I've done it correctly or
00:21:06
not. Like, really going through those pieces, but like anything else,
00:21:09
dude, you know, we. Let's. Let's say we do a thousand online lessons a
00:21:13
month. It's like you do a thousand anything a month to get really good
00:21:16
at knowing how to do it, regardless of the format. Yeah. Or the person, I
00:21:20
guess, too. You said something really important there. I think that's. I always forget about.
00:21:23
It's his exaggeration. Like, my buddy. His name's
00:21:27
Lakin. We call him panda just cause he's got an amazing head cover. That's a
00:21:30
panda. But he always says the same thing.
00:21:34
He's like, he'll get me in these weird. It's so crazy. This is the thing
00:21:38
that blows my mind with golf and just golf instruction. It's like, he'll get me
00:21:41
in these really weird positions where I think
00:21:45
I'll even think that I'm like, that is. And it's exaggeration. What he's trying to
00:21:48
do is get me to exaggerate that particular. Whatever he wants me to do. And
00:21:52
then I'll look at my swing, and it'll just feel. It'll look almost
00:21:55
identical to me just swinging like I always do. I'll be like,
00:21:59
this is so weird. This looks totally weird. And then I'll look at the video,
00:22:02
and it's like. You can't even really tell. It's just. It blows my mind. But
00:22:06
is exaggeration, in your opinion? Is that how you get your students to really,
00:22:09
like. Like, I guess pick up that feeling or pick up what you're trying to
00:22:13
teach them? Oh, there's no other way. Oh, really? Yeah, there's no other
00:22:17
way? Yeah. You're just. You're better off just accepting what you just said as
00:22:20
is and just going in with, like, that's the expectation.
00:22:24
And then. Cause I still get the same thing, dude. When I look at my
00:22:26
swing and feel something, it looks completely different
00:22:30
than what I feel is going on, but I know it going in, so it
00:22:33
emotionally doesn't throw me off. Like, I know this is to come.
00:22:37
And what's really key, you said, is that you look at the video where people
00:22:40
really struggle. Like, if you. Because I get a lot of. I go
00:22:44
get a lot of lessons, too, just to make sure I'm on the other side.
00:22:46
I know what that feels like. And, like, if you're
00:22:50
feeling those things, this is for someone listening. If you're feeling those
00:22:54
things, and they feel weird and different. And you don't have
00:22:57
immediate video confirmation where you can look
00:23:01
at it from yourself or your coach. You are in
00:23:04
for a rollercoaster ride. Really? So most players come too far over
00:23:08
the top. The face is open, so they need to
00:23:12
feel like they swing so far from inside. It's
00:23:16
unbelievable. And probably that the club face is so
00:23:20
crazy closed. And how do you know that? You've
00:23:23
exaggerated enough is what the ball did. Oh, wow. So,
00:23:27
like, let's go back to your example. Hey, I'm swinging too far inside out. The
00:23:31
face is too close. Now, there'd be reasons why
00:23:35
you might figure out earlier on. You extend too much, you don't rotate enough,
00:23:38
you release too early, whatever. So you want to find root causes.
00:23:43
But if you swing in now and the face is too close, and let's say
00:23:45
you got to neutralize your path, you might need to feel like you're swinging
00:23:50
wildly over the top, right? Like I could. Dude, I
00:23:54
can't even believe that I can hit a ball from there. But then what did
00:23:57
the ball do if the ball flew straight right? Let's just
00:24:01
say you did it correctly, then by definition, that amount of
00:24:04
holy shit is correct. Today.
00:24:08
Today, right now, a month from now, you might feel that
00:24:12
same. Holy cow. And the ball starts fading a little bit. You did too much.
00:24:16
If the ball's still hooking, you didn't do it enough. And so what I try
00:24:19
and do with students is like, let's just unemotionally accept that that's
00:24:23
just what it is, right? We're stepping on the scale. This is how much we
00:24:25
weigh. This is where we are. And then you can get into doing the, you
00:24:29
know, get the changes going quicker. It's not easy. It's not easy, you know,
00:24:33
but it's straightforward. So, Eric, I've got. I've asked. I've
00:24:36
asked, you know, Matt, I've had a couple other professional golfers on here. Here's the
00:24:40
thing that I'm. I. That blows my mind with golf.
00:24:44
The amount, like, okay, somehow, which, by the way, you started golf,
00:24:48
we said when you were twelve or 13 and you came scratched by 15, is
00:24:51
amazing to me. That's determination, man. That's how much you love your dad, I guess,
00:24:55
is because you just wanted to figure out a way you could hang out with
00:24:57
him more, which I love. But, I mean, you know, you.
00:25:00
Okay. The amount of difference between. And we've got
00:25:04
some amazing players at our club. We've got this one guy right now his name's
00:25:07
Brandon. Shout out to Brandon. He's. He is. He plays on the
00:25:11
canadian tour. Dude, this guy is like a plus six. I think he's a plus
00:25:14
six. And he's right there. I mean, right there. He is by
00:25:17
far, like, one of the best ball strikers I've ever seen. We've got another one,
00:25:21
another buddy that's a friend of the show, he played on the corn ferry tour
00:25:23
for years, and he's this probably the second best ball striker I've ever seen in
00:25:27
my life. But, dude, you take someone like that, and then the fact
00:25:31
that my buddy on the corn ferry tour, he's got a family now, and he
00:25:33
actually. He's an instructor, so he teaches now. And, you know, he's like, dude, I
00:25:37
just didn't want to do the grind anymore. I'm over it. Like, I would rather
00:25:40
help people and work. I'd still want to be around golf and everything, but
00:25:44
the fact that he. And, I don't know, maybe he is still trying, but the
00:25:48
fact that he didn't make it so far is just mind
00:25:51
boggling to me because the difference between someone like them and then someone on
00:25:55
the PGA tour, like a card carrying pro, and then you have another
00:25:59
layer of, like, the top ten or like the top 15, top 20, dude, it
00:26:03
is just mind boggling me. And, like, you know, do you think, and I've asked
00:26:06
all of them this, but, like, what do you think is the main difference? Because
00:26:09
all those guys are incredible ball strikers. They all understand how to hit the
00:26:13
ball. But, like, what is the difference between that extra layer of.
00:26:16
Extra couple layers, I guess, of talent?
00:26:20
Yeah, I think there's two ways to answer that. Let's say, like, one of
00:26:24
them is, like, physical skills. So, like, guys
00:26:28
that play elite college to pro, to, et cetera, you know, there can be some
00:26:32
level where you actually look at stats. Like they actually hit the ball better,
00:26:36
they chip and putt better, they get their wedges closer to the hole. But there
00:26:38
can be some actual tactical things. But let's say they
00:26:42
all. Let's say we're talking about guys who kind of all hit it the same.
00:26:45
Some guys get the corn fair, some guys get the PJ, some guys win majors.
00:26:49
I've been fortunate to do some work with Nick Faldo. We did little podcast
00:26:53
stuff with him at performance golf. Yeah. So we get to pick his brain a
00:26:56
lot. And I was talking to him two days ago about this, and he
00:27:00
said when he would go to majors, he knew there was only maybe
00:27:04
five to ten guys that really had a chance to win, and the rest were
00:27:07
kind of just there. And I was like, what is that?
00:27:11
How do you get that? You're born with that. Do you learn it? And he
00:27:14
said when he would get in those pressure moments, he would get
00:27:17
excited and look forward to it and want to show
00:27:21
off. He said a lot of guys get to those moments
00:27:24
and they get scared, fearful and
00:27:28
afraid. And I thought that context was kind of pretty good there,
00:27:31
where I'm like, you know what? I think that's correct. I think some of those
00:27:35
guys that get to that high level, let's say we watch them hit five
00:27:38
irons. They hit it about the same. They chip it about the same. They putt
00:27:42
it about the same. They could go out with their buddies and shoot 64 about
00:27:44
the same. But when you're at a tournament and the bright lights are on and
00:27:48
there's people in the crowd and you got to make the cut for a paycheck,
00:27:52
some people rise up and some people don't. And that's usually not because
00:27:56
your swing mechanics, a lot of people want to blame it on swing
00:27:59
mechanics. If I just improved my swing a little bit, I'd do
00:28:03
better in that scenario. I don't think so. I don't think
00:28:06
so. Okay. That's why, like a lot of us, like, if we go.
00:28:10
Common amateur problem. To answer the same question, Eric, when I go out
00:28:14
in the range, I hit it really good, but when I go on the course,
00:28:17
not as good, man, when I play with my buddy and I have a drink
00:28:19
or two, I shoot this, but then I go play in the tournament that I
00:28:22
care about, and I shot ten shots higher. Right? What happened? So it's a lot
00:28:26
of the same. That ain't because your swing. Yeah, that ain't swing mechanics.
00:28:30
Right? That same swing worked really good in the range. What happened is there was
00:28:33
consequences. You cared more, you were fearful of a different outcome, and
00:28:37
you're not in that environment enough. Like a lot. This, this, this always cracks
00:28:41
me up. Okay. Hey, Eric, you know, I play good with my buddies, but I
00:28:44
play in. I play in this tournament twice a year, and I never play as
00:28:46
well. I say, you just remind me, how often do you play with your buddies?
00:28:50
Twice a week, all year. Okay, so you play 100 rounds with your buddies per
00:28:54
year, and you play in two tournament rounds. Like,
00:28:58
which one do you think is going to go better? Totally. Yep. Okay. The thing
00:29:01
you do more often. So part of that, too, with those guys is, like, getting
00:29:04
in the environment enough, learning how to embrace it and feel excited about
00:29:08
it and get the show off. Like Windham Clark has been talking about with his
00:29:11
mental coach. He talks about just, it's. It's not all mindset, but it's a lot
00:29:15
of it. Well, I love that. I've actually never heard anyone say it
00:29:19
that way. Show off. Because I think that also, you know, that that kind
00:29:22
of ties into the confidence and just believing, like, having this, like,
00:29:26
on almost, like, obscene, you know,
00:29:30
confidence in yourself. And maybe, you know, a lot of these guys are kind of
00:29:32
quiet about it. Some guys are braggadocious and, like, you know, that's. But, like, I
00:29:36
did talk to, you know, my cornfury, like, in depth about it, and he was
00:29:39
saying that, oh, you meet, like, most of the guys on the corn ferry tour,
00:29:42
even the corn ferry tour, right. Or, you know, probably even more so on the
00:29:45
PJ tour. They have just this, like, incredible amount of
00:29:49
confidence that, you know, that they don't even really maybe show on the outside,
00:29:53
but they are, like, they're cocky dudes. Like, they're typically very cocky because
00:29:56
you almost have to, like, have a delusional type of self confidence. I kind of
00:30:00
do that. All right. So I kind of do that on a different level, Eric.
00:30:02
And the one thing I've got going for me is my 60 degree. I've become,
00:30:05
they call me, they call me Magellan at our
00:30:09
club because I can get up and down, but, dude, it's because my irons. I'm
00:30:13
like, I've been put in the situation where I need to get up and down
00:30:16
so often because I can't hit the green. That, yeah, I've become pretty good with
00:30:20
my wedge, but different type of confidence, I guess. But
00:30:23
I love that, man. It's a really interesting way to put it. And that goes
00:30:27
to show, even though you're saying jokingly, it's like you got really good at chipping
00:30:31
because you had to do it a lot. Yeah. So, like, for those that are
00:30:34
listening, right, if you want to play better in this member tournament or whatever, once
00:30:37
or twice per year, you got to play in a bunch more tournaments leading up
00:30:40
to that. That's got to be your normal. The normal has got to be the
00:30:42
tournament. I could do a speech all day long in front of a mirror, but
00:30:46
as soon as I step on stage in front of 10 people, way different. How
00:30:49
do you get better at that? You got to step on stage more, right. You
00:30:52
got to put yourself in the environment more. No doubt. Yeah. All right. I'm a
00:30:55
big swing egg guy, what do you think? I mean,
00:30:59
I've literally, I could point to. I could probably show five right here. I've got,
00:31:02
I've counted, Eric, I've got 36 of these things I've been doing. I'm going to
00:31:05
do a segment where my, where my, my co host and I, we're going to
00:31:08
be breaking down all the swing aids and we're going to be rating them and
00:31:10
reviewing. Um, obviously, I would think that the swing aids are
00:31:14
probably good for certain people and certain, you know, other ones not, I think, probably
00:31:18
different. Different strokes for different folks. But, I mean, is there something that you
00:31:21
think could benefit, like, to all the listeners out there? Is there just something that
00:31:25
maybe has worked for a lot of your students that, you know, maybe more so
00:31:28
than others? Yeah, it's a good question. So,
00:31:31
like, you know, we've had our, this is our 8th year of the channel. I
00:31:34
probably personally tested, without exaggerating,
00:31:39
maybe between 102 hundred training aids realistically.
00:31:43
And we. So I get sent training aids all time. People are like, hey, try
00:31:46
this. What do you think? You want to promote it? And we've, we've, we've promoted
00:31:50
four in eight years out of 100.
00:31:53
Interesting. So, so I don't,
00:31:57
you know, I think there's, like, certain things for certain people, you know, that are,
00:32:00
that are pretty good. I get a lot done with a lot of people with
00:32:03
like an alignment rod and a pool noodle or like a range
00:32:06
bucket. So the four things we promoted, to
00:32:10
give you an idea, I mean, the hanger, the wrist. Yeah. Got that one. Yep.
00:32:14
Then it goes on. Works great. You know, I think for certain
00:32:17
people who need that, I think that's really effective. We promoted the precision impact.
00:32:21
The thing you snap. Seen that one? Yep. It clicks. Right?
00:32:25
I like that. You know, it clicks. And this one holds you in it. Oh,
00:32:29
okay. Which I like. Yeah. Keeps you. It keeps you back in there like
00:32:32
that. We did, we did one other with performance
00:32:36
golf and then we have. So I just got done testing.
00:32:40
Did you see the thing with David Ledbetter the straightaway? Yes, I've got that one
00:32:43
little line on it. So,
00:32:47
you know, I go into all those things extremely skeptical. Okay. You know, I think
00:32:50
there's like a, literally one in 2030 chance that I'm gonna like the
00:32:54
thing, but I like that. Okay. You know, now it's another one where
00:32:58
I'm like, I don't know that it's for everyone, but if someone struggles with the
00:33:00
takeaway, getting way under plane or way out, the little visual that that thing
00:33:04
gives on you, that gives you the takeaway. So we're gonna do some videos on
00:33:08
that. That's top of mind for me.
00:33:12
Here's what I would say. This isn't the training aid, but like,
00:33:17
you know, eight out of ten golfers, you
00:33:21
could probably make a really big improvement if you
00:33:25
could, when you take your setup, draw a line up the shaft
00:33:28
like a swing plane line, and just learn to
00:33:32
keep your club on that line. If you watch really good
00:33:36
ball strikers, and I'm talking only from takeaway to about hip high
00:33:40
on the way back and then for about hip high on the way down and
00:33:43
impact. If you look at any ball strikers like this could be a challenge for
00:33:47
you guys. Go on YouTube and look at it even just use your finger, a
00:33:49
little line on their club head from hip high into the ball and from setup
00:33:52
to hip high and you look at enough swings, the top hundred ball
00:33:56
strikers, 95 of them would have that thing riding almost right
00:34:00
on that into the, into the golf ball. Getting the club on plane, however
00:34:03
you do that, like for you, that hits hooks, you're probably almost too far under
00:34:07
for sure. Into the ball, you're probably too far under. And so getting the club
00:34:11
on plane, whether you're a slicer and you're over it, and you got to learn
00:34:15
how to feel under it. Or for you, if you're a hooker, you're under it,
00:34:17
you got to feel over it. That solves a lot of problems if
00:34:21
you can combine that with learning how to get the face
00:34:25
square to the path, which is a loaded suggestion, because there's a lot of
00:34:29
ways to do that. Yeah,
00:34:33
I would say the one takeaway would be figure out a way to get the
00:34:35
club on plane if there's a one sentence takeaway. Love it. Yeah, no, I love
00:34:38
that. I mean, yeah, most of them are snake oil. I mean, and I'm just
00:34:41
a sucker for them. We had these one guys, by the way, I would love
00:34:44
to get your opinion on this, too. So I had these long drive guys on
00:34:47
and they, you know, they compete competitively in the long drive stuff. And
00:34:51
by the way, one of the guys shout out, this guy Sam, he's got Eric.
00:34:54
This blew my mind. He is one of like maybe four or five people on
00:34:57
the planet that people know about that has a ball speed of over
00:35:01
240 mph. It's just crazy. I mean,
00:35:05
dude, these guys listen to this. They crack. Like, this is a problem for them.
00:35:08
They actually have to, like, they crack between four and like
00:35:12
six golf balls every range session. Like crack em. And I mean, like, they're like,
00:35:16
we have to think about it because, like, especially if they're hitting into their net
00:35:18
at home, they're like, we have to get special balls because we don't wanna, like,
00:35:21
we don't wanna break our face in our club, but we also don't want to,
00:35:23
like, go through a bunch of, like they're not getting balls for anyway. It's just
00:35:27
crazy. So, like, I was talking to them, they came out, and, you know, and
00:35:30
it's, you know, it's a speed training, it's a speed training aid. But, like, I
00:35:33
guess my point is that, you know, I'm a tech guy, right? So, like, I
00:35:37
think the technology and, like, just golf instruction moving forward
00:35:41
is going to be so cool to watch, though. You know, I think that, you
00:35:43
know, one, a couple, couple last questions here before, and I'll
00:35:47
get you, I'll get you on out of here. All right. I ask every, I
00:35:50
ask everyone these two silly questions, Eric. These are not, like, these are not really
00:35:54
golf related questions, but I ask everyone just because I'm also, I, like,
00:35:58
silly. And, and these are, these are certainly, certainly silly. So can
00:36:01
a human being, Eric, can a human being eat a golf
00:36:05
ball and survive?
00:36:09
Hmm. Man, I feel like
00:36:13
it'd be hard to swallow a golf ball, huh? Could a human being eat a
00:36:16
golf ball? Could they swallow a ball, have it live in their body and survive?
00:36:19
I would say yes. I think human beings are resilient. Okay. All right, cool. I
00:36:22
don't, by the way, I don't have an answer to any of these. I just
00:36:24
like collecting. These are the worst because everyone's, like, waiting for the answer,
00:36:28
and I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you take someone like Shaquille O'Neal, like a
00:36:31
big dude, like, I'm imagining you probably get it down. But, you know, the whole,
00:36:35
the whole reason this came up is because, you know, after a certain number of
00:36:38
subscribers, I don't even know the number, but my co host was like, all right.
00:36:41
I told him, I'm like, if we get a certain number of subscribers, I can
00:36:43
do this full time. I'm not going to tell the albatross story anymore. And he
00:36:46
was like, there is zero chance. And if you do, you have to eat this
00:36:49
golf ball. And so anyway, and I'm like, are you trying to kill me? Because
00:36:53
I think it would. I don't know. I go back and forth anyway, that's how
00:36:55
I, that's how it goes. Came up. So then the second question, if you. Could
00:36:58
get it down, I think. I agree. I think it's more of, like, the down.
00:37:01
Yeah. All right, second question. Not goth related.
00:37:05
Are there more. Now, think of anything alive. So anything that's
00:37:09
alive in the world. Are there more eyes or more
00:37:13
legs in the world?
00:37:16
Mmm.
00:37:20
Yes. I mean, like, immediately my mind goes to, like, there's a lot of creatures
00:37:22
with force. Four legs, right? A lot of creatures with four legs. There's
00:37:26
spiders with lots of legs. There's thousand leggers. But I think everything
00:37:30
only has two eyes. So I'm gonna. In my
00:37:34
mind, that just clarified to me that it should be, obviously, legs, which makes me
00:37:37
think, am I missing something else? Aquatic. Are there things with eyes with.
00:37:41
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am missing something else.
00:37:45
We don't even know what's in the ocean. I would say there's more. Ooh.
00:37:49
I would say there's more legs than eyes, but I'm not, like, throwing money. Dude,
00:37:53
thank you so much for caring enough to actually answer that question with some thought.
00:37:56
Yes, I'm. I'm an eyes. I'm a nice guy. I've gone back and forth this.
00:37:59
I've asked everyone, and it's so great. I love these questions, Eric,
00:38:03
because fish. Out there, though, too.
00:38:08
Yeah. That's. You ask 100 people, you can get 51 way and 50 the other.
00:38:11
And, man, people blow up about it. Like, they get all worked up over, like,
00:38:15
trying to figure out and, like, trying to debate it. So, anyway, it's just. It's
00:38:17
a fun question. Well, any. Anything else before I let
00:38:21
you run, man, anything else that you want to promote or, I mean, anything that
00:38:24
we can, you know, obviously send people to if you want to mention your sites.
00:38:27
And I'm going to be putting all of your, you know, all of your websites
00:38:29
and all of your channels and stuff in the. In the comments or in the.
00:38:33
In the description. Yeah, no, I appreciate you having me, man.
00:38:37
I feel like I'm here to serve, hopefully help. Help some people golf
00:38:41
better, live better, obviously, our. Our YouTube channel. Like, you mentioned being there, golf. You
00:38:44
guys are into golf? Stuff that we share there. A
00:38:48
lot of, like, little quick tips on Instagram, but the full YouTube videos, we did
00:38:51
just start that second YouTube channel. If you're into personal development lessons I've learned with
00:38:55
Eric Gorno, that's a working title, but that's how you search it right
00:38:59
now. And it's cool, man. It's cool. Starting from day one, like, starting a new
00:39:02
channel from day one, like, literally not having any subscribers, no views, and having to
00:39:06
build it back up has been a cool,
00:39:10
humbling, exciting thing to do that I
00:39:14
think over the next ten years we'll build up similar to the
00:39:18
golf thing, and maybe we'll do another pod as that grows and talk more about
00:39:21
that. No, I'll totally look forward to it. I think you're onto something, man, because
00:39:25
these are two things I'm really passionate about. Obviously, golf is a huge passion of
00:39:28
mine. But man, I think it's actually more interesting on the personal development stuff
00:39:31
because to your point, earlier in the conversation, it's like,
00:39:36
we are who we are. It's just like a different shift in
00:39:39
mindset can really unleash, like, who you
00:39:43
really want to be or who you really want to become. And it's just, it's
00:39:47
not that you're a different person, you're not born different, you're not like, nothing really
00:39:50
changed. It's just simply this idea of like, changing the way you think
00:39:53
about things. And that's why the albatross, it's the whole reason I wanted to start
00:39:56
the podcast is because if I can just get more people, like, obviously we love
00:40:00
talking about golf, and golf's just such a great metaphor for life and how we
00:40:03
can get, get to, I mean, that's what I love about it. But if I
00:40:06
can just even a couple, a handful of people, if they can just start thinking
00:40:10
about, like, wow. Like anything truly is possible, I mean, that's a
00:40:14
great shift in the right direction. And then, you know, you can really be whoever
00:40:17
you want to be. So I appreciate you saying that earlier. And yeah, man, I'm
00:40:19
looking forward to kind of stay, you know, staying all over and staying tuned to
00:40:23
your new channel. I'm excited to see you grow it.
00:40:27
Likewise, man. I'm going to, I'm going to keep watching the stuff that you put
00:40:30
out. And this was cool. I'd love to come back whenever
00:40:33
you need to fill a spot. Awesome, man. All right, well, Eric, thanks so much
00:40:36
for joining us. And until next time, everyone, thanks for tuning in.
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00:40:51
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